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Offline mdg42

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Re: Pre-launch: Your experiences with Carb Back-Loading so far
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2011, 07:38:36 AM »
Hey Everyone,

I first heard of Kiefer and Carb-backloading from the Elitefts article. I read his articles and thought that he was saying not much more than John Berardi at Precision Nutrition has espoused from years. I have seen so many people repackage his ideas that I initially wrote Kiefer off. What eventually drew me to Carb-backloading was the amount of research he had done (which, as a skeptic, I checked out). As a physics teacher and Engineering major in college, I appreciate the work and and proof that he provides for his program. I decided to read and listen to everything he has written/spoken about on the internet (and the article in Men's Fitness) and have been giving it a try. I have been one of those carb-phobic individuals, so it has been a difficult adjustment, but I'm slowly getting the hang of it. I still have trouble judging my daily/weekly progress and am unsure if I am doing it correctly, which is why I am so looking forward to the book.

Best of luck to everyone regardless of your goals.

Offline pinebilly

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My experiences with carb back loading
« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2011, 09:51:22 AM »
I have been following carb back loading for approx a month at this point.  As mentioned in the other forum (What do you find confusing about Carb Back-Loading?) I do have some questions and I know that I am not doing it 100% correctly but I have pieced together what I feel is best and have been giving it a shot. 

I am  35 years old a bit under 5 8" and weigh about 131 lbs, so I am pretty lean and have been a hard gainer my whole life.  I have noticed that as I get older I can put on more fat if I am not careful with what I eat.  I am one of those guys who does not like to bulk up only to have to cut in order to gain any sort of muscle, in fact in my mind I was over even trying to gain much mass because it just doesnt seem to happen for me.  I was just going to accept what I have which is being fit and lean and although not as big as I would like to be I would just accept being in shape.   

I work out 2x a week at this point (in the mid afternoon as directed) and I play soccer a few times a week.  On non workout days I do some core work at home (20 minute programs) as I am working on getting functionally correct for sports etc. 

I was basically doing the paleo diet pre finding this information and would not eat carbs much at all.  This helped me basically stay the same weight but I never gained any muscle so it just felt like a waste of time working out.  Being a bit carb o phobic I was a bit relentless to try this but I was intrigued by it and honestly I get sick of eating paleo all the damn time so I was also excited to mix things up.  The place I work out at takes body fat measurements and measures various body part every few months and I just had my results taken yesterday.  As mentioned I have only been back loading for a month but have been doing the same work out program for the past two (we switch up the work out program every few months as well). 

Results

1.  Kept the same bodyfat 8.4%
2.  Gained 1.5lbs in muscle
3.  Gained about an inch on various body parts (legs, arms etc)

Overall I am pretty darn pleased with these results.  I KNOW its the month of back loading that has done this because I have taken measurements for the past 6 months and it never changes.  My body needs these extra calories/carbs in order for any muscle growth to occur, thats pretty obvious.  Its also been quite a bit of fun to be able to eat some dirty carbs and not wake up feeling fat.  As mentioned I am not 100% positive I am doing things right but its been a good experiment and the book will give me the missing pieces that I need.  Right now I am "starting" to be able to feel when I dont back load enough or when I back load too much, I think that comes w/ time.  On a positive note I do feel its possible to gain lean muscle mass without having to gain a bunch of fat and then cut, what a pain in the ass that is.

Thanks to Keifer and Naomi for all the help,

PB


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Re: Pre-launch: Your experiences with Carb Back-Loading so far
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2011, 10:56:42 AM »
I realy like cbl.
I first heard of it in a german forum.
If you follow the right advice you can make great results.
I like if + cbl

Offline golooraam

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Re: Pre-launch: Your experiences with Carb Back-Loading so far
« Reply #78 on: December 06, 2011, 11:05:14 AM »
well, I am still trying to get a handle on this crazy train

I have a good amount of bodyfat to lose and just got super sick of eating no carbs all the time as I just kinda stalled out.  I was about 240 10 years ago and am about 185 lbs now.  I stand to lose another 30 lbs of fat before I see some abs.

I injected two things:

1.  near daily bodyweight training of pushups/dips/chinups
2.  carbs at night (95% of time non-gluten carbs)

my usual routine is some coconut oil in the morning, I usually do some workout during the day, I have BCAAs before and after

before dinner I'll knock out 100 to 200 reps on my Perfect Pushup

I try to eat dairy friendly paleo (though I did have one junk Carb Back Load last week)

I usually eat steak and a pound of potatoes and some white rice

a little while later I'll make a dessert of ricotta cheese, mascaparone, and about 4-5 heaping tablespoons of glucose, and maybe a banana or two

I have only tried this for the past week or two and have gotten stronger and my missus likes my arms and chest development and notices my middle is getting leaner... on days I get screwed up with business lunches or something, I zero carb the next day to 'reset' myself

I honestly should not really be doing this as I really should primarily focus on a carb nite style diet, but being able to eat meat and starch almost 4 to 6 days a weel and get in great training as made me really happy as a person and maybe I'll just continue doing this with a few zero carb days during the week to burn some fat

Thanks Kiefer - looking forward to buying the book (and who knows maybe even getting lucky and gettn a free one)

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Re: Pre-launch: Your experiences with Carb Back-Loading so far
« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2011, 04:06:58 AM »
It's been an exciting ride so far. I've been on the verge of seeing my abs for over a year but have seemed to platau no matter how clean I have been eating. The platau hasn't just been limited to my bodyfat, its been evident in my lift numbers for about the same time.

Since starting back-load my carbs about 2 1/2 weeks ago I have been able to break through my platau in all my lifts and the numbers have been rising steadily. The volume of work I am able to do in the gym is also increasing. I have seen relults in my body composition too.

I found it hard getting used to the idea of eating fats again which is why I think I had a dull headach for a few days to begin with. This has cleared up possibly due to the increased fat intake.

Coconut oil was hard to come by around where I live and was about to settle for the MCT oil sold by my supplement company for about $20 for 500mls. Then I discovered a litre bottle in an asian supermarket for $7.50. A much more wallet friendly option. Hope this helps others too.

Like a few others I am sure, I missed that we are supposed to go ultra-low carb for at least 4 days before back-loading. Hoping I wouldn't have to, however seeing Naomi's advice to do the reorientation 'to be on the safe side', I have gone back and am 2 days into the reorientation. I am hoping that this will give me even faster results than I have already experienced.

I can't wait for the launch of the book so that I can really get my diet dialled in and see max results.

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Re: Pre-launch: Your experiences with Carb Back-Loading so far
« Reply #80 on: December 08, 2011, 05:52:16 AM »
Hi,

Im from the UK & I first heard about carb-back loading from an article in Muscle & Fitness magazine.
After reading this article I did some research online and found this website where Ive read most of the material posted.
My experience with weightlifting is limited, Ive been doing it casually since starting Uni 6 years ago with mixed results. At the time of reading the article I was 73kg around 15% BF at 5'10". Ideally I want to be around 80kg at 10% BF. 

My typical routine was as follows: train friday to monday, wake up black coffee + whey shake, lunch at 12:30 half chicken salad fish oil whey shake, preworkout reflex-performance matrix, postworkout usn hyperbolic mass, evening meal pizza etc, before bed greek yogourt bluberries and whey. 
I decided to jump headfirst into the diet and made a few fundamental mistakes:
1) ate carbs in the evenings on off days
2) ate alot of pizza in the evening
3) trained with 4 x 12reps on each exercise with 60sec rests between sets.

Although my strength had increased marginally while on the diet, so did my waistline. Since then I tried the carbnite diet and managed to trim back down such that my BF% looks similar to levels before trying backloading, while my strength levels have remained high.

Now Im only consuming carbs on training days, taking coconut oil with black coffee in the mornings, doing HIIT on off days in the morning, and toning down the pizza.

I intend to get the book and learn some more tips and hopefully hit my goals. I do like Keifers no BS attitude and challenging conventional wisdom, big fan of the site! Also...some more HIIT advice would be good (im a little confused since the carb-nite book said no running/HIIT, but later you recommended it?)

thanks
TJ     

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Re: Pre-launch: Your experiences with Carb Back-Loading so far
« Reply #81 on: December 08, 2011, 09:53:14 AM »
MY EXPERIENCE WITH CARB-BACKLOADING FROM A DEPLOYED SOLIDER AND A CERTIFIED PERSONAL TRAINER:




My best friend is a personal trainer. Between him and i we have a fairly serious power lifting/bodybuilding background. No we've never competed officially other than some military based "for fun" power lifting competitions that of course, he won. Regardless, we both had the same goal, we want to be as big as possible while being as strong and lean as possible as well. So obviously like a bunch of 'tards we followed the 6-meal a day protocall for probably a year and a half. needless to say he stayed at a fairly lean 9% but i got fat as fuck. I'm talking like almost 20% body fat. Embarrassing, right? So i started doing cardio, lots of it. We would lift 5 days a week and for half an hour after lifting i was on the eliptical running as hard as i could, or doing some weird variation of HIIT. My weight dropped, but so did my lifts. I reduced my overall body composition, but not in a good way. I was once again 189lbs of skinny fat weakness from a strong but fat 230lbs.

 Well while being deployed to Africa for the past year we've buried our noses in nutritional information. During this "learning" process we stumbled across Kiefer's articles and fell in love. I was more hesitant that my bestfriend but he immediately jumped on the carb-backloading and after a few day of him just looking bigger and leaner and seeing his lifts shoot up in the gym. i had to jump in on this.  We would skip breakfast and eat two chicken breasts for lunch and some chicken wings with some lettuce, shredded cheese and ranch. I was more prone to eat more lettuce simple for the fiber benefits since cheese stopped me up. We'd lift in the afternoon around 3:30pm. My bestfriend had constructed an awesome combination of powerlifting that after two compound lifts within the 2-4 rep range we'd move on to two different exercises of isolation exercises of about 2 sets of 8 reps. So our training was spot on. after we'd go soak up the carb-backloading with tons of lean protein and loads of ice cream, slices of pecan pie, soda and just other things that you wouldn't normally eat while trying to "lean up."
I saw amazing results for about 2 months. I put my size back on and my strength FINALLY shot back up from the retarded amount of cardio i was doing (which we stopped doing all together). I made new personal records on all my core lifts and my body fat was dropping from 15% (post cardio frenzy) to a lean 10.6%. I was fully convinced that carb-backloading WAS the answer.
It was about the time i was at an all time leaness that my brother and i went home on R&R for two weeks, away from the African desert and back home. We obviously still worked out while we were home on leave, but not as much as we usually would. We drank, eat and enjoyed ourselves. Getting back to Africa 2 weeks later i did my body fat again with a 9 site pinch test that we had been using. I was at 12.6%. I couldn't believe it. Time to tighten down the reigns. So we started to jump back into our routine and of course, carb-backloading. All seemed well until about a month later i did my bodyfat again, same 9 site pinch test done by my bestfriend (certified personal trainer) and sure as shit, i was getting fatter. Damn near 13% now.. what the fuck? My routine had stayed the same, and nutrition wise i was getting in the proper macro's. We'd be taking in roughly 1.3-1.5 grams of protein per pound of LEAN body mass. So for me, now weighing 200 at the time, would take in 220-240 grams depending on the food in the chow hall. Carbs weren't an issue, we'd eat till satisfied.
We'd usually get up and fast for 4-8 hours after waking before we'd eat. Meaning we'd completely skip breakfast and i would also skip lunch. Take some BCAA's pre workout and then eat everything post workout. My logic being that i would be even more insulin INsensative and could eat all my protein and carbs without the fat gain. Obviously i was wrong..
So i felt slightly betrayed, meaning that Kiefer said i COULDN'T get fat following this carb-backloading routine with resistance training. But i did.. what did i do wrong?

As of now, we're doing backloading still, but going completely carbless on off days (twice a week) and monitoring our carb intake post workout. I went from 150g of carbs post workout to what i'm at now at 100g of carbs post workout. so far no strength lost and seeing some fat loss but i haven't calipered yet because it hasn't been a full two weeks on this routine. I want to give it at least 2 weeks before calipering again to see if this is working. But i still would love to be pigging out more at night, but i don't want the fat gain.

Suggestions?
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Re: Pre-launch: Your experiences with Carb Back-Loading so far
« Reply #82 on: December 08, 2011, 11:08:40 AM »
I've been doing back loading for about the past 2 months.  I am a strongman competitor and I absolutely love it.  I am over all stronger and my strength is steadily increasing.  I've basically been going off of stuff I've read on the internet, but so far, my main plan goes like this.  Coffee in the morning, first meal at 2 (11am if I'm really hungry)  the 11am meal is always eggs and bacon, the 2pm meal is whey isolate with some fats, usually olive oil.  I train at 4pm and then back load till about 10.  I'm not a fan of sugary stuff, so I usually stick to white rice or wazy maize as a carb source, but when I do eat sugary things, it's usually cocoa crispies or something like that.  I've also cut out gluten and dairy, for the most part.... I will do a refeed on Fridays with pizza, or whatever I want, because I train very early Saturday morning.

I'm sitting right around 308lbs, but my clothes are fitting better and like I said before, my strength is steadily increasing.  I am about 6.5 months out of bicep reattachment surgery and I've already hit an easy 360lb log, a 685lb raw deadlift, a 515lb front squat and quite a few other notable lifts.... which are all post surgery PR's that are getting broken every single week....  I really think backloading is awesome, especially since I hate eating breakfast.  I'd like to work with Kiefer directly when I can afford it, but I can't wait to read the book as well!

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Re: Pre-launch: Your experiences with Carb Back-Loading so far
« Reply #83 on: December 09, 2011, 09:57:52 AM »
Naomi, with the book coming out today (hopefully), when is the drawing taking place for the 7 Free copies?